Skip to main content

About your Search

20121007
20121015
STATION
CSPAN 7
CNN 4
CNNW 4
KPIX (CBS) 4
WTTG (FOX) 2
FBC 1
WGN (CW) 1
WJLA (ABC) 1
WMAR (ABC) 1
WUSA (CBS) 1
LANGUAGE
English 44
Search Results 0 to 43 of about 44 (some duplicates have been removed)
CBS
Oct 12, 2012 4:00am PDT
to stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars from her city but she's not going jail. this is the "cbs morning news" for friday, october 12, 2012. good morning. good to be with you. i'm terrell brown. compared to last week's presidential debate last night's face off between vice president joe biden and congressman paul ryan was like a shoot out at the ok corral. from the get go it was a pull no punches performance by both candidates. they squared off on everything from the economy to foreign affairs. randall pinkston is at the debate site in danville, kentucky. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning. both candidates came here on a mission. congressman ryan to criticize the obama administration's failures and republican solutions while vice president biden was defending the presidential record and also complaining about the republican plan for the nation. >> i will be very specific -- >> reporter: vice president joe biden wasted no time challenging congressman paul ryan's take on foreign policy. >> with all due respect that's a bunch of malarky. not a single thing you said is accurate.
CBS
Oct 11, 2012 5:30pm PDT
. . captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. >> pelley: good evening. tonight's face-off between vice than vit joe biden and congressman paul ryan is getting a lot more attention than vice presidential debates usually get. the obama campaign is looking to biden to stop the momentum mitt , mney has enjoyed since the debate in denver, which governor romney was widely perceived to job is . ling.s job is to keep romney's al gallu rolling. today's national gallup poll of likely voters shows governor romney with a slender lead of one point over the president. of course, that's within the lly a tie.error so it's essentially a tie. tonight's debate is at centre college in danville, kentucky. nancy cordes and jan crawford danville. first we'll go to nancy, covering the vice president's campaign. nancy. >> reporter: scott the vice president arrived here in kentucky today after several days of intense preparation in his home state of delaware and several people there with him veld us the president's weak performance in his own debate didn't so much change the ndr
CBS
Oct 8, 2012 5:00pm PDT
the vehicle. ann notarangelo, cbs 5. >>> also tonight, president obama back in the bay area for a pair of san francisco fundraisers. he is hoping a big haul could put a lid on his republican rival's big post-debate bounce, a bounce that just catapulted mitt romney into the lead in at least one national poll. grace lee breaks down the numbers. >> reporter: the president is examples here at the bill graham in a couple of hours to raise money and to rally his base and if that new national poll that you're talking about is any indication, he really does need to rally the voters because it looks like he is slipping among likely voters. that pew research poll that was released this afternoon shows that the president had an 8- point lead before the debate in mid-september. he has dropped significantly and the republican nominee mitt romney is now leading the president by 4 points. clearly the debate last week has given romney a huge bounce in the polls. and part of the reason why he made a huge increase in two key demographics including women. the president had an 18-point lead before the debate. no
FOX News
Oct 9, 2012 6:00am PDT
head of a special forces team in libya. he told cbs news that his request for beefed up security was rejected in washington. the man who made the call to reject the extra security, undersecretary of state management, patrick kennedy who held the job since 2007. after the attack kennedy privately briefed house and senate staffers told them the attack appeared to be sophisticated involving light and heavy weapons. four days after that briefing, u.s. ambassador to the u.n. susan rice took to five different sunday talk shows to say it was not a planned attack. it was another three days after that, before any senior u.s. official publicly stated that the benghazi incident was indeed a terrorist attack. >> americans deserve the truth on what happened. and so i think what you're going to find is these bits and pieces are going to come out. again i think we're both troubled by some of the things we saw and unfold. >> reporter: the house oversight committee hearing on the benghazi attacks gets underway tomorrow at noon. a lot of people will be watching, martha. martha: there is sort of a
FOX News
Oct 10, 2012 3:00am PDT
. we get all of the internal back and forth and explanation. i will say this is what is difference. cbs on the ground originally said the story didn't add up cnn got the journal and lambasted by the secretary of state's staffer for putting it forward and said it was news worthy and not personal. they took on every news agency including us on this story and now all guns including the state department pointed in the administration. >> gretchen: because the way the state department answered this question yesterday: do you agree with the white house on the conclusion that the attack was sparked by the video instead of a planned terrorist attack and the state department said you would have to ask others. that was not our conclusion. >> steve: they have got themselves a scandal with a month before the election . and we told you yesterday about a actress that appeared. she played dee in clueless. it turns out, she who once upon a time supported barack obama and she now supports mitt romney. >> brian: she had death slams. >> steve: who wound up contacting paul ryan. and then later there was thi
ABC
Oct 8, 2012 2:05am EDT
with topics ranging from funding cbs. >> give me the money back, the children's television is -- >> to texas? >> why if you take advantage of a tax break and you are a corporation, you are a smart businessman but if you take advantage of something that you need not to be hungry, you are a moocher? >> even foreign policy? >> it appears the foreign policy is to go into the middle east and buy friends. does that work? >> yeah, we can buy friends. >> i think it works. >> there are moments you will likely see in the presidential debate? >> you just begrudged -- >> this is nothing but begrudging! >> one major snafu of the night, some had difficulty streaming the debate live. there was so much d overloaded the servers. >> this whole idea is insanity. >> your site is more broken than america. >> the 2012 will soon be followed by the refund 2012. >> hopefully they were able to raise a little money because half the proceeds went to charity. >> the reviews have not been kind. reuters said the night consisted of less than thought provoking part suns who arrived marinated, and i missed it. it was good to
CW
Oct 11, 2012 9:00pm CDT
schools network may take them. i think cbs is looking for options. schools that are either failing or under and rolled we have learned that 12 school mobile charter school network was also asked. considering taking over existing failing schools and bringing our own charter schools into the system we are seriously considering that. he runs a rapidly growing network of charter schools. rendell says the proof is in the pudding. not everyone agrees, many parents say that charter schools train badly needed resources from neighborhood schools and the chicago teachers union says it's an attempt to privatize the public school system. mayor ron emanuel says it's all about the kids into providing an array of strong educational options to parents. although he has a vested interest in the expansion of public charter schools he says that it's time to try new approach. we are talking a lot of hundred and 23,000 kids in failing schools and we really have to keep our eye on the children and what's best for them. really looking at what is best. repeated efforts to reach the chicago teachers union
FOX News
Oct 12, 2012 8:00am PDT
and independents. >> i will say this, you had a "cbs poll" right after the debate of undecided voters, people not made up their mind which is very small, small portion. electorate. by 50-32% margin, those voters believed joe biden won the debate. that is something very key. >> except there were four or five other snap polls. >> not of undecided voters. >> undecided voters cnn. >> cnn had totality of voters. >> the problem gets to what we're talking about what biden's mission was last night. if you're incumbent party and you're still worried about the base with three weeks to go before the general election you're in really tough shape. >> i'm not sure he was worried about the base. >> you just said that was the whole show last night. >> no. no. energizing the base. wasn't getting the base to exactly support, wasn't worried about the base not dropping off and coming out to vote. the base was dispirited because president obama, i thought president obama did not come out and defend in full throated way what the debase wanted to defend you concluding myself. doesn't mean the base is staying home o
FOX Business
Oct 9, 2012 6:00pm EDT
that claim an afghanistan to al-qaeda. gerri: cbs said that the taliban and al-qaeda have not been vanquished, basically not by a long shot, just rebuilding to come back. senator bob corker essentially said the same thing. do you believe that? they're in a rebuilding mode to attack again, and becauseewe think the job is done and that it's finished, over, we won't be prepared? >> well, i don't think anyone thinks the job is really done. i think that al-qaeda, as it existed on september 1 # -- 11, 2001, was a real terrorist cell. for the last five or six years, it's been a kind of an ideological movement. there's always the possibility that it can crop up again just through the enthusiasmmof a few local extremists. gerri: what do you make of the message sent by the administration in the way they handled the assassination of our libyan ambassador? >> it's very confusing. as i say, their case that it was this administration that killed bin laden is very strong. i really don't think they are@ trying to prove that al-qaeda has been completely eradicated. i don't think that -- i don't think that tha
FOX News
Oct 9, 2012 9:00pm PDT
and bin laden is no more. >> sean: now, cbs news'ular laura logan calls the obama administration on its lies on al qaeda. we will tell you what the middle-east reporter really says is going on and bob woodward and another endorsement, why is stacey dash on the receiving end of a backlash -- she is supporting mitt romney. look at the horrible double look at the horrible double standard, racist tweets and those little things still get you. for you, life's about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for ily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may
FOX
Oct 7, 2012 10:00pm EDT
of security at the consulate and he told cbs news part of his job was to meet with ambassador chris stevens every day to discuss security and he said it's unbelievable to him the state department decreased security, after he says he showed them how dangerous the environment was on the ground. his testimony won't bring back the four americans who were murdered. but the former u.s. ambassador to the u.n. john bolton says the state department has a chance to listen and learn and save lives in the future. >> the state department shouldn't wait for the conclusion of its own board, i think there ought to be an ongoing process now to try and enhance the security of diplomatic and other official personnel in the middle east and elsewhere. >> reporter: representatives from the bureau of diplomatic security and the state department are also expected to speak at wednesday's hearing. in washington, peter doocy, fox news. >>> sports is up next. unlikely hero emerges for the nats in their first playoff game in franchise history. scott smith is on deck. first, here's gary. >> real cold overnight. 30s. and
CSPAN
Oct 7, 2012 7:00am EDT
. again, they began at noon at"meet the press," nation" from cbs. listen to them all on c-span radio. nationwide on xm satellite radio. you can listen on their blackberry, android, or iphone or go online to cspanradio.org. >> on the sixth day after being an office, we were sitting in the oval office. larry summers said, mr. president, looking at this year 's budget, you will have $1 trillion deficit. he said, i have not done anything yet. >> we cannot keep looking our children in the i knowing that we are going to give them a diminished future. we are spending their money today. it is a very simple idea. mitt romney and i will bring it to washington. we have to stop spending money we do not have it. we must cut spending. we have to get a balanced budget. we must get the debt under control. >> paul ryan and joe biden will face off in their only debate. you can watch and engage with c- span with our live debate previous starting at 7:00 eastern followed by the debate at 9:00. your reaction, calls, e-mails, and tweets at 10:30. "washington journal" co
CSPAN
Oct 8, 2012 7:00am EDT
at osu. jim heath is a cbs affiliate television show host. tony is joining us from south carolina. caller: good morning. i want to say something. i generally vote republican, but i have voted for kennedy. i like romney, but i will vote for obama, because i want to see the democrats get what they deserve. the black people are voting for obama because he's black and that's fine. and they think he's going to be good for them. that's fine. but they talk about ron -- about romney lying. obama said that his father or grandfather fought in world war ii, which could not be right according to his age. but obama lies all the time. his birth certificate is a lie. why have we gone to the u.n. all the time to get this one world tin? i want th -- one world thing? read the rise and fall of the third reich and you will see this guy is paralleling everything that hitler did. a special army and so on. host: thanks for the call. i do want to clear up one thing. the president has not talked about his father, but his grandfather did serve in world war ii and his speech is available on our website, c- span.org
FOX News
Oct 7, 2012 3:00am PDT
list, but we have an information what mr. wood will say. cbs it reporting that he met with ambassador stevens just about every day between february when his mobile security deployment team until august when he left just about a month before the deadly raid which was reportedly about the time his team's mission was over. and wood told cbs that it's unbelievable to him, that his team was pulled out of libya, given the fact that he says he was constantly trying to demonstrate to the state department how dangerous, volatile and unpredictable things were in libya, as for the investigation on the ground, the fbi says they continue to coordinate with the state department, justice department and the defense department it figure out exactly what happened and who was responsible. but remember that the fbi wasn't able to get boots on the ground there for about three weeks after the raid when they'd already left the country. back to you in new york. >> peter doocy, thank you so much for that update. let's get the rest of your headlines now, we have to tell you about the rare fungal meningitis out
FOX
Oct 12, 2012 10:00pm EDT
strong case. >> the polls differed. a cbs news poll said biden won 50% to ryan's 32%, but cnn's poll had ryan winning 50% to biden's 41% and much like the polls the candidates' styles also clashed. >> that's a bunch of marlakey. >> they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. >> for an hour and a half the vice president brought bluster, big grins and verbal broadsides. >> what are they talking about? >> oh, my goodness, where did it come from? >> while paul ryan delivered a lawyerlike prosecution of the obama administration's record. >> they haven't put a credible solution on the table. this is what politicians do when they don't have a record to run on. >> but does a vice presidential debate impact the presidential race? some analysts say biden's debate tactics helped the president. >> he's been around politics for a long time. it fits with his persona. i don't think it stepped outside who joe biden is. >> while others say biden's expressions and interruptions came off polite and inappropriate. >> it's pretty amazing how often he was interrupting and laughing and smiling and grim
CNN
Oct 10, 2012 2:00am PDT
he said to cbs news. he's going to be testifying this morning at that oversight hearing. let's take a listen. >> -- or continued security that we had, that we had known, that we had come to live with and work with there for the enviroent we had, we felt we needed more, not less. >> and, zoraida, when asked who felt that you needed to do more with less, he said the state department superiors. and we also hear that eric who will also be testifying today, a former regional top security officer in libya, had repeatedly asked the state department for additional personnel for benghazi, received no response several times, zoraida. this is going to be a key focus, i believe, at that hearing this morning. >> so many concerning details we're hearing. we appreciate it, elise. >>> today's libya attack hearing begins at noon eastern time the keep it tuned to cnn and cnn.com for the latest throughout the day. >>> call it a buckeye bounce, mitt romney making big gains in ohio after the first debate. this is a new cnn/orc poll. the president's lead is shrinking there within the margin of error. 18
CNN
Oct 10, 2012 4:00am PDT
to a minimum. >> elise, let me stop you there because i'm going to play what andy wood said to cbs news. >> sure. >> -- for enhanced or continued security that we had, that we had known, that we had come to live with and work with there for the environment we had, we felt we needed more, not less. >> $64,000 question, of course, is so why would requests like that go unheard and unanswered? >> that's the big question. when asked who said that, he said the state department superiors. and there is one woman testifying today, charlene lamb, deputy assistant secretary, where it seemed that the buck stopped with her and she was the one that said, you know, need to keep the security to a minimum. soledad, what officials are saying is, listen, there was security improvements made to the consulate, to the office, over the last several months, leading up to the attack because there were other attacks on the consulate. there was this ied attack and other western targets. but what they're saying is the kind of assault that they suffered that night, this 40 armed gunmen, outmanning everybody there,
FOX News
Oct 10, 2012 6:00am EDT
and planation. i will say this is what is difference cbs o the ground oiny t sdndd u cnn got the journal and lambasted by the secretary of state's staffer for putting it forward and said it was news worthy and not personal. they took on every news agency aihetsornd state department pointed in the administration. >> gretchen: because the way the state department answered this question yesterday: do you agree with the white house tapayheconclusion tha t rrt aache s department said you would have to ask others. that was not our conclusion. >> steve: they have got themselves a scandal with a month before thelection and we toldouda ab ass tea she played dee in clueless. it turns out, she who once upon a time supported back oba a suprt miom >>an death slams. >> steve: who wound up contacting her? paul ryan. and then later there was this tweet. had a grtrsioth eyh. gheauryan had a personal experience like stacey dash in college . he dated an africa-american woman. and he sai he could ta w domng tha sort of an th pe dee wi? >> brian: for some reason, on the 5 yesterday that was my block and i pu
CSPAN
Oct 8, 2012 2:00am EDT
career with cbs news and his 40 years as a correspondent on "60 minutes." >> morley safer -- how have you changed your approach to information over the last 42 years of "60 minutes?" >> no dramatic difference in terms of reporting the news or doing interviews for the news or, really, even between doing what is construed as hard news versus feature stuff. the same rules apply. you try to get to the core, the core of the individual. i think really that is why we have an audience for the last 45 years on "60 minutes." i think it is precisely why people watch the broadcast. we have no or few access -- i do not think we do any at all. i think we are fair. it is the fairness that is the attraction, unlike some much of what you see on cable, where fairness is the last thing people are being offered. to a certain audience, the last thing they want. >> we have a video from your office -- we took a camera there. i want you to talk us through than what the environment is, how long you have been there. you can see it on the screen. >> that is the lobby. we have a huge clock, which nobody really likes
FOX News
Oct 7, 2012 1:00pm PDT
skyrocketed. we saw that among uncommitted voters in the cbs poll, after the debate, and we talked about this last week, 30 percent of the people say he cared about them, it doubled to 53 percent. he did what we suggested. by the way that is the important thing, changing the structure of the race. that now ahead it a real close race, not just in numbers but in context. >>gregg: in all of the attack ads over the last six months, $100 million has been spent by the obama campaign demonizing mitt romney and i think the public expectation was expecting this crazed guy who kills people. those were the ads and suddenly on wednesday night they see a guy who is pretty reasonable. >> he did the best job any candidate could possibly have done. i cannot find fault with anything romney did. >> reagan said he was better than his dad in 1980. >> what it has done, it has altered the passion differential we have talked about since the conventions, republicans extra been down in -- republicans have been down in the mouth, and in an hour and a move, the democrats are mad at obama and republicans are unifie
FOX News
Oct 12, 2012 10:00am PDT
democrats of the vice president's performance. the cbs news poll says 51% biden won the debate and 31% ryan won the debate. your thoughts. >> the cnn poll had it the other way. i want to go back to this benghazi issue which i think is more than analyzing the style points of this debate. what this white house is doing in trying to throat intelligence communities under the bus is atrocious. both the state department, telephone possible conference and the testimony in congress makes it clear that the intelligence community was right on this right from the start. it's the kind of intelligence discussion that takes place when a president is briefed and goes through that briefing processn in bern the cia. this president chose to skip almost 60% of that give and take in the cia briefings. that part of his problem. but the second thing that was atrocious yesterday was joe biden trying to claim that there was a problem of funding. when they had not only the terrible part of this is that they had denied investing in additional security for the ambassador in libya but spent $150,000 for a new select c
CBS
Oct 7, 2012 6:00am PDT
outlandish to be true but it is indeed based on a true story and what a story. here's our cbs news national security correspondent david martin. >> reporter: everybody who was alive at the time remembers it. the iran hostage crisis. 53 americans held captive at the american embassy in tehran and then the agony of a failed rescue attempt which left eight american servicemen dead. what you might have forgotten is that there was another rescue mission, one that succeeded >> this is the only thing that we did in iran that worked. >> reporter: and tony men degrees was the guy who made it work. the man known as the c.i.a.'s master of disguise went into tehran and brought out six u.s. diplomats under the noses of revolutionaries chanting, death to america." >> just like robbing banks except in our case we had to make it look like the money was still there >> the other guy doesn't know he's been robbed >> and he's happy. reporter: that was 32 years ago. men degrees is now retired, slowd by age and illness. but he is about to appear on the big screen played by ben affleck >> my name is tony men degr
CSPAN
Oct 8, 2012 8:00pm EDT
has been brought to you in part by aarp virginia, league of women voters of virginia, wtvr cbs 6 and pbs, community idea station. we want to say thanks again to the candidates for appearing together on the stage tonight. we heard a lot about social security, medicare. many of the issues voters of virginia are facing. we want to thank those voters and our live audience for taking part and wavening. don't forget, election day is now less than a month away. on behalf of everyone who brought this debate to you, i'm bill fitzgerald. good night. >> all this month and until election day, c-span is bringing you white house and senate debates around the country. on c-span television networks c-span radio and c-span.org. tomorrow we're in west virginia for the debate between democratic governor earl ray tomlin and republican challenger bill moloti. live coverage starts at 7:00 p.m. eastern. wednesday, we move to massachusetts for the third debate between republican senator scott brown and his democratic challenger, elizabeth warren at 7:00 eastern. and thursday the only debate between the
CNN
Oct 11, 2012 2:00am PDT
there, though a doifrnt poll from cbs shows obama still leading there. the "wall street journal" poll, mitt romney trails in florida and is down six in ohio. a quinnipiac poll shows him up three points in three other states. cnn's paul steinhauser is at the site in danville, kentucky with an inside look. >> reporter: 14 hours from now behind me on this stage, the only vice presidential debate in the campaign. they've been behind closed doors getting ready for this big showdown. the republican running mate got here to kentucky yesterday. before he arrived, he played a little bit of the expectations game, kind of lowering the bar for himself. >> joe biden has been on this stage many times before. it's my first time. sure it's a nervous situation because joe biden is one of the most experienced debaters we have in modern politics. >> as for vice president joe biden, he gets here later today. how is it going to work? to tell us. frank farencoff. >> it will be similar to the start of the colorado debate except that these two will be seated at a table. the vice president will be on the left
CSPAN
Oct 10, 2012 7:00am EDT
outlets abc, cbs, nbc, cnn, all planned to use split screens regularly. fox said it would even continue using it more than it did in the presidential debate. in denver, some of the candidates have tried in the past with limited success. using reaction shots of candidates. aides to bill clinton -- aides to bill clinton and president george bush in 1992 when as far to write into their debate contract that television networks could not broadcast such images. the campaigns of senator john kerry and president george w. bush -- the non-partisan organization that oversees the production, while the submission has final say over where those cameras are in place, they do not control the mechanics of filling camera angles or rigid of filming camera angles." that work is left solely to the discretion of the network pool producing the broadcast. last week it was abc, on thursday it was cnn." c-span was the first to start using split screens in 2000 when al gore was debating george w. bush, and the article in "the new york times" notes -- "the split screen has become such a modern media phenomenon, p
FOX News
Oct 9, 2012 3:00am PDT
andrew wood told cbs news that his request for beefed-up security was rejected by washington. the man in charge of all state department personnel is under patrick kennedy who held the job since 2007. fox news learned that the day after the attack kennedy privately briefed the staffers and told them it appears to be a sophisticated attack. but four days after that briefing, the u.s. ambassador susan rice offered a different narrative. she said rather that we don't see at this point that it was a coordinated premeditated attack. it was three days before any senior u.s. official stated that the benghazi incident was indeed a terrorist attack. >> the americans deserve the truth on what happened. you will find that the bits and pieces are coming out. we are both troubled by what we saw unfold. in the end the truth ought to be done and people ought to be held accountable if bad decisions were mad. >> the u.s. has obtained footage of when the attacks were actually underway. that should shed light on what happened in benghazi. >> steve: we'll be watching. thank you very much. >> brian: it is
CSPAN
Oct 10, 2012 1:00am EDT
. we will continue to have this conversation going forward. [applause] >> c.b. only vice-presidential debate tomorrow night live on c- span, c-span radio, and online at c-span.org. watch and engage. business leaders discuss economic policies as a campaign issue in the 2012 election, this morning. president obama holds a campaign rally at ohio state university, followed by today's washington journal, live with your phone calls. >> our coverage of tomorrow night's debate begins at 7:00 eastern with the debate beginning at 9:00. here's a look back at the 1988 vice-presidential debate with senator dan quayle and senator lloyd bentsen. >> senator quayle, i don't mean to beat this drum until it has no more sound left in it, but the follow-up on brit hume's question when you said it was a hypothetical situation, it is, after all, the reason why we are here tonight, because you are running not just for vice- president. [cheers and applause] and if you cite the experience you had in congress, surely you must have some plan in mind about what you would do if it fell to you to becom
CNN
Oct 11, 2012 1:00pm PDT
university cbs news, "new york times" poll in colorado. mitt romney, 67% strong leadership qualities. barack obama 54%. let's go to virginia, 64% for mitt romney, 62% for barack obama. and paul in wisconsin 65% for mitt romney, 59% for barack obama. so clearly in those three battleground states they think romney has stronger leadership qualities than the president does. >> well, that's what comes from having a strong debate. but notice this was a gain for romney much more than a loss for president obama. i think that's really unusual about this last debate. romney helped himself, there's no doubt. he eroded the president's lead, but he didn't really erode the president's position. in other words, people still like the president, they support the president. if the election were held today, he'd still win. it would be a lot closer than a week or two ago. these internals do matter. and it's wise i think we're highlighting strong leader. look at things like cares about me, for the middle class. let's see if what president clinton was saying a minute ago starts to catch on. if people start to bel
Search Results 0 to 43 of about 44 (some duplicates have been removed)